Rice, Rice Baby ...
There’s a spirited debate going on here in the comments about the Hall of Fame merits of Jim Rice. The debate is spearheaded by brilliant reader and Rice lobbyist Paul White. I have received numerous thoughtful and thought-provoking emails through the years from Paul on the subject of Jim Rice – and, in fact, I was one of those “morons” who took points away from Rice because of his penchant for the double play. Paul straightened me out pretty good on that one.
For the record: Paul has not changed my mind on Rice – I still do not see him as a Hall of Famer – but he has softened my views.
That’s not the point of this blog, though. I’m always fascinated by the logic of arguments. In a way, this is what I do as a columnist: Try to break down the logic of arguments. Paul makes many good arguments about Rice, but in one place he does something that brushes me wrong, something that I see people do all the time. It is even something I caught Bill James doing in an email once -- and he actually conceded the point. I bring this up because I NEVER win arguments with Bill. I never really even try to win arguments with him; it’s like having LeBron James as a neighbor and playing him one-on-one basketball in the driveway. The point isn’t to win. The point is to enjoy the losing.
ANYWAY, back to Rice. Here is one of Paul’s basic arguments for Rice: There are 18 left fielders in the Hall of Fame right now (the Hall Web site actually lists 20, but they have Dave Winfield as a left fielder and also a couple of other players who may not qualify in your mind as left fielders). And Rice’s statistics rank quite favorably with the median of those in the Hall. Paul offers these statistics – these are Baseball Prospectus’ translated stats, and not actual stats – for the median Hall of Fame and for Rice.
AVG: HOF, .299; Rice, .293
OBP: HOF, .370; Rice, .354
SLG: HOF, .531; Rice, .545
OPS: HOF, .900; Rice, .899
HR: HOF, 480; Rice, 494
RBI: HOF, 1505; Rice, 1471
Rice, as you can see, ranks right there with the big boys. Of course, I very seriously doubt most BBWAA voters are using Baseball Prospectus’ Translated Stats, but for the sake of this blog, let’s concede the point: Let’s say Rice is at least comparable to the median standard set for left fielders in the Hall of Fame.
Paul then makes the bad jump, in my opinion. He believes that writers are doing him a disservice. The standards have been set, and Rice has met these standards and perhaps surpassed them. He’s as good or better than half the left fielders in the Hall and thus the writers should vote him in. This, as I understand it, is the argument.
Other people have pointed out one obvious flaw: That there are numerous outfielders out there who were better than Rice and are not in the Hall of Fame, including his old teammate Dwight Evans. I would agree wholeheartedly (although I have a pretty passionate email from Paul on the subject of Evans vs. Rice – Paul’s good, folks). But this is not my point either.
My point is this: There is more than one way to get into the Baseball Hall of Fame. Over time, yes, it has all blended into one building, which is great. But of those 20 left fielders – let’s use all 20 for counting purposes – nine were inducted by the veteran’s committee. One, Monte Irvin, was inducted by the Negro Leagues Committee. That means half of the Hall of Famers were, in fact, not voted in by the Baseball Writers Association of America.
I’m not saying that these men are in any way less worthy of the Hall of Fame because the writers ignored them. I believe both of those committees have righted some wrongs and put in some great players that we writers flat missed. It's a shame, for instance, that it took a special committee to put in Monte Irvin, who merits mention as one of the greatest players who ever lived, but spent his best years in the Negro Leagues and fighting for our country in World War II.
No, I’m not suggesting the writers' Hall of Famers are somehow superior or more worthy. I’m saying it isn’t logical to hold up the writers to standards which they had absolutely nothing to do with. The fact that Kiki Cuyler or Chick Hafey or Goose Goslin are in the Hall of Fame has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the writers should vote in Jim Rice. These guys were not writers’s choices. They were veteran’s choices. In fact, I would argue that because the voters very specifically DID NOT vote in Goose Goslin, any argument comparing his numbers with Rice’s (Paul points out that they are similar) is entirely backward. Goslin’s numbers weren’t good enough for the writers. So what’s the point?
There are 10 left fielders who were voted in by the writers (I will keep in Winfield and Stargell if only because they are Rice contemporaries). The 10 left fielders voted in by the writers are Brock, Kiner, Medwick, Musial, Simmons, Stargell, Billy Williams, Ted Williams, Winfield and Yaz.
Comparing the median numbers of these 10 with Rice doesn’t look quite as good:
AVG: HOF, .292; Rice, .298.
OBP: HOF, .371; Rice, .354.
SLG: HOF, .517, Rice, .502
OPS: HOF, .888, Rice, .854
HR: HOF 439; Rice, 382
OPS+: HOF 133, Rice 129.
And if you want to go with Baseball Prospectus’ translated stats – which are OUT there by the way; they translate Stan Musial to get 730 career homers – it doesn’t get much better for Rice.
AVG: HOF .299; Rice, .293
OBP: HOF, .369; Rice, .354
SLG: HOF, 560, Rice, .545
OPS: HOF, .919, Rice, .899
HR: HOF 575, Rice, 494
And if you just want to neutralize their stats on Baseball Reference, the gap in slugging percentage closes, but everything else is about the same:
AVG: HOF, 298; Rice, .298
OBP: .HOF, 370; Rice, .351
SLG: HOF, .500; Rice, .500
OPS: HOF, .869; Rice, .851
HR: HOF 453; Rice 390
To further the point, all 10 of the writers-choice left fielders were ranked way above Rice in the Bill James Historical Abstract (Winfield was ranked as a right fielder, but he still ranked much higher). That's only one opinion (though it's a pretty good one), but I simply don’t think Rice was better than any of those 10. Maybe you could argue against Brock, though they were very different kinds of players. Maybe you want to get into the Billy Williams vs. Jim Rice debate. In any case, it seems to me quite clear that using the writer’s 10 left fielders as the standard, Rice does not cut it.
Now, let me also say this. I think the writers WILL vote Jim Rice into the Hall of Fame. Momentum is pushing him to Cooperstown. We writers as a group are of that age, we feel that certain nostalgia for the time period, and Rice in memory was a fearsome hitter. The steroids thing has helped him too … how many columns or articles have you read already that gush how Rice hit homers when men were men, when strike zones were real, when bats were made of balsa wood and whatever? I’m not even saying that Rice going into the Hall of Fame is a bad thing … I mean, no, I’m not voting for him, but Rice was a terrific player and a fearsome hitter. He would not be anywhere near the worst player in the Hall – he wouldn’t even be on the “20 man throw-them-out” ballot that I want to create. Which I suppose is Paul’s main point.
But I’m saying the exact opposite of Paul’s argument is true. If we as writers use our own standards set through the years, we absolutely would not vote for Jim Rice.