The NL East: With Mike Vaccaro
If you are lucky in this life, you will meet a friend who is basically, well, you. That's how I feel about New York Post columnist Mike Vaccaro. We see the world the same way. We have basically the same thoughts about life, sports, movies, politics, television, books -- we are the only two people I know who finished Robert Caro's rather lengthy book about Robert Moses ("The Power Broker,") and wished there was more -- and journalism. Over the years, about the only thing we have strongly disagreed about is Billy Joel. Mike thinks Bill Joel is a fine singer/songwriter, and I think he's the Devil. No, that's an exaggeration. I just think he sucks.
ANYWAY, Mike is author of the wonderful Red Sox-Yankees book Emperors and Idiots and his new book on the sports year 1941 will be out in two months. It's terrific. I've already read it. Mike, of course, writes columns for the New York Post. He has spent much of his life loving the Beatles, the Mets, the Jets, Kennedy assassination theories, memorizing lines from both Godfather movies (you know, there were only two of those), studying Civil War history (and don't get him started on Ulysses Grant's tenure as President) and ranking Caesar's salads. Once again, I got to ask the questions, and Mike provided the answers.
First, 1-5, rank the teams in the NL East, adding a sentence or two to each if you like.
1. Mets—An AL lineup that can be sabotaged by an AARP rotation.
2. Phillies—Should be the team to beat but ... they’re the Phillies.
3. Braves—Transition time for the team of the '90s.
4. Marlins—Growing pains catch up with them.
5. Nats—First in war, first in peace, last in the National League.
Who do you think is the best everyday player in the division?
Jose Reyes. There isn’t a player in all of baseball that does as many things well, and watching him run the basepaths is the single-most exciting thing in the whole sport.
True or false: Ryan Howard will never hit as many home runs as he did this season.
False. I think he’ll hit 80 some season, especially in that ballpark in Philadelphia. The fact that he hits so many to straightaway and to left field tells you he ought to be slump-proof when it comes to home runs.
This isn’t an NL East question, but I asked Alex Belth, and you have a unique insight because you interviewed the Boss. We love Bruce Springsteen. But is he a real baseball fan? And how could he have used “Speedball” in “Glory Days?"
That’s always bothered me to no end. “Speedball” isn’t what Grover Cleveland Alexander used to strike out Tony Lazzeri, it’s what he drank AFTER he struck out Tony Lazzeri. That said, when I interviewed him nine years ago, he said that the two most often heard voices to come out of his transistor when he was a kid in Freehold, NJ, were Scott Muni (a famous New York DJ) and Phil Rizzuto; I assume this caused something of a bonanza back in ‘77, whenever Muni would introduce “Paradise By the Dashboard Light” on the radio.
Who do you think is the best starting pitcher in the division?
Dontrelle Willis, and it ain’t close. That said, if Tim Hudson could ever find a way to start pitching for the Braves the way he once did for the A’s, this question may have to be revisited.
True or false: Pedro is done.
False. Pedro’s never going to be PEDRO, the single-name sensation who made watching Red Sox games as much fun back in the day. But even before he got hurt last year, he had learned how to remain a winning pitcher with off-speed stuff and guile, making much the same transformation that Tom Seaver did back in the early ‘80s.
Who is the best closer in the division?
That’s an hysterical question, because I think if you ask any fan of any team in the division, they’ll all tell you about the horrifying angst they experience whenever one of their guys comes trotting in from the bullpen, specifically Tom Gordon and Billy Wagner. Chad Cordero has the youngest, livest arm, but he had his problems last year. I guess it tells you how scary things are when Bob Wickman is the guy who inspires the least amount of fear and loathing among his own troops.
Who is the best manager in the division?
Hard to argue against Bobby Cox. You don’t win 14 straight pennants in a row by winning the lottery. Willie Randolph should have won the Manager of the Year last year, but as long as Cox is interested, Willie runs second.
We agree on just about everything in life except Billy Joel. How could you?
As he once so masterfully put it, “Life is a series of hellos and goodbyes. I’m afraid it’s time for good-bye again.”
How long will Mets fans chant, “Swing the bat, Carlos?”
Until he hits the game-winning grand slam in the bottom of the ninth inning of Game 7 of the World Series. New York’s a tough room.
You can only have one: Jose Reyes or Derek Jeter?
Reyes. Not only is he 10 years younger, but he has better range at shortstop, a stronger arm, he’s faster, a better baserunner, and in a few years he’s going to have a 30-homer season. No one’s written more poetry about Jeter’s “intangibles” than me through the years, but Reyes is that good.
You have already done the brilliant Yankees-Red Sox book. When is the Marlins-Nationals book coming out?
I’m told either Updike or Halberstam has dibs on that subject, but I’m waiting in the wings if either of them pass.
Is it possible for Philadelphia to have more starting pitchers on their roster? You’ve got Brett Myers, Cole Hamels, Freddy Garcia, Adam Eaton, Jamie Moyer and Jon Lieber. Is this the best rotation in the National League or a whole bunch of guys who could do a Philly flop?
If they all pitch well, then you’re talking about some kind of rotation and some kind of season. But there are so many issues that abound:
A) As mentioned earlier, they ARE the Phillies.
B) Myers could wind up in some kind of trouble again, he seems to have that kind of make-up.
C) Hamels is a young kid who already had an arm scare last year, and young kids are always just one arm scare away from trouble.
D) They ARE the Phillies.
E) Would you trust Freddy Garcia with a game you absolutely, positively had to win?
F) Ditto Adam Easton.
G) They ARE the Phillies.
H) Is Jamie Moyer Digger Phelps’ son-in-law or his father-in-law? He looks old enough to make the question genuinely ambiguous.
I) For every Yankees fan who still screams in the middle of the night at how badly Kevin Brown screwed up Game 7 of the '04 ALCS with the Red Sox, it’s important o remember that Jon Lieber dug them a 4-0 hole in Game 6, first.
J) THEY ARE THE PHILLIES.
Best song made by any of the Beatles after the breakup.
Either “What is Life?” by Harrison or “Happy Xmas (War Is Over)” by Lennon.
Is Florida, with all those talented kids, likely to win another World Series in the next couple of years and then dismantle and lose a billion games again?
I know we said this the last time they broke up a title team, and they bit us all in the hide just a few years later. But you can’t expect to keep winning that way. And if they wind up trading Willis and/or Cabrera before their walk years, as I think they will, then no way.
In your marriage, who is your current, HAYAROW (Hollywood Actress You Are Allowed to Run Off With) And who is your wife, Leigh’s?
Mine is Rene Zellweger. She had me from ... well, you know. And Leigh’s is either Clive Owen or Edward Burns.
(Little known fact: Mike went to high school with Edward Burns)
Is this finally the year the Braves stink? And isn’t it amazing to think that if you are younger than, say, 20 or so, you have absolutely no recollection that the Braves used to be an all-time baseball joke? Remember when Ted Turner managed the team?
It’s like being born in 1929 or so and having no concept at 16 of any other president besides FDR. Nah, they won’t stink; they still have too much pitching and too much championship muscle-memory to stink. But next year, if they lose Andruw to free agency and deal Chipper ... it’s anyone’s guess.
True or false: Andruw Jones is the best defensive center fielder in the game.
True. That position was never supposed to look that easy.
True or false: More general managers should wear suspenders.
Actually, I think GMs should have to wear uniforms, too, just like the managers do.
Growing up a Mets fan, did you think Joe Torre had any idea what he was doing as a manager? And how well could you do that Willie Montanez behind-the-back thing he did when he caught the ball at first base?
I always knew it never mattered if we had John McGraw managing as long as we were trotting out Doug Flynn every day. And not only did I master the Montanez behind-the-back ... when I hit my home run off Glenn Decker, I circled the bases the way Montanez did, replete with walking the whole way from third base home. My pop nearly popped a blood vessel when he saw that.
Washington. Do you think they wanted baseball badly enough to deal with THIS team?
I have a bad feeling that even Shirley Povich wouldn’t have wanted to watch this team.
Best stadium in the division. We already know the worst. Seriously, with Shea at this point, wouldn’t it be better to just play in Central Park or on a street in Brooklyn or something?
Of the 30 best moments of my life, probably 10 of them happened at Shea Stadium, it’s where I saw my first game with my dad, where I saw him cry at Old-Timer’s games, where we bonded over baseball, where we sowed the timeless father-son generational seeds of baseball, and I never feel closer to him or his memory than when I’m sitting there ... AND I WANT TO PUSH THE BUTTON WHEN THEY FINALLY TAKE THAT DUMP OUT OF ITS (AND MY) MISERY. Although, in a division of pretty pedestrian parks, it probably only ranks third behind Philly (though the dimensions make it a hard park to love) and Atlanta (which is soulless and charm-free and has been ever since Michael Johnson’s great run there).
Best television theme song ever?
M*A*S*H. If for no other reason than the lyrics (which nobody knows) are positively gruesome. These, I swear to god, are the words to the chorus:
Suicide is painless.
It brings on many changes.
And I can take or leave it if I please.
I mean, what the @#$%%@ does that mean?
You are one of the few people who know the coveted second verse to “Meet the Mets.” What does this say about you?
It explains an awful lot including why I didn’t see my first naked woman until I was into my twenties.
Who wins a fight, Mr. Met or the Philly Fanatic?
Mr. Met. After all, the Fanatic IS a Philly.
Your fabulous book on the sports year 1941 -- called, interestingly enough, “1941”—comes out soon. What is the coolest thing you learned about Joe DiMaggio’s streak and Williams’ .400 run?
That after DiMaggio tied George Sisler’s record in the first game of a DH in DC, his bat was stolen. He wound up extending the streak, but he figured his bat was gone forever. Then, some low-level Newark mob guy named Peanuts started doing “research” on his behalf, and the guy who wound up with the stolen bat was found, and Peanuts “reasoned” with him to give it back ... probably the same way the movie producer was “reasoned” with when the horse head wound up in his bed.
As for Williams, it's the oldest and best-known part of his tale, but still the best: he could have sat out the final day, had his .3996 rounded up to .400 forever, but he said “Heck, no,” or words to that effect, went 6-for-8, and finished .406. Even in a simpler time, they would call that a “ballsy move.”
What is your favorite New York Post back-page headline?
When Clemens bailed on the Yankees for Houston: WHAT AN ASTRO
